Saturday, 10 November 2012


Looking at the McAlpine question in the North Wales Child Abuse Scandal.  In any investigation victim testimony is crucial but children are not reliable when it comes to identifying people who are not in their circle.

This is why initially it  falls to the  Police to follow every lead and find the truth.  In this case  Steven Messham handed the North Wales Police hard evidence  actual photographs of the abusers.  The police  informed Steven one of the abusers was Lord  Aliastair McAlpine.  Following this  the police lost the incriminating photographs.   Or so Steven Messham was told.  

On the 8th of November the Mirror reported that:-   "Photographs of men abusing boys in the North Wales paedophile scandal were deliberately destroyed by the authorities. Sian Griffiths worked for Clwyd Council in the inquiry office on the 1994 Jillings and six years later on the Waterhouse inquiry which looked into the systematic abuse at the children’s homes.

Revelations: Sian Griffiths
Sian Griffiths revelations

She told ITV News that victim Steve Messham’s photos of alleged abuse were ordered to be destroyed.
Mr Messham says photos captured lots of men raping boys, including a prominent Conservative figure he accuses of abusing him.
He says he could see men’s faces clearly, but the police said they could not identify them from the pictures.
Ms Griffiths was asked: “Messham talked about photos that he had of abuse taking place. Do you know what happened to them?”
“We were supplied with copies of court documents…there was an order made for the book of photos to be destroyed.
“So Messham’s photos of alleged abuse…were destroyed?
“They were. Well that’s what’s in court papers – official documents.”
That could have been vital evidence?
“It could. Yes.”

The next day  after  this admission.  Police called Steven in and we are told showed him a photograph. On seeing this  photograph Steven  went out and publicly  apologised  to  Lord Alistair McAlpine   It is now agreed  that the abuser  was in fact  Lord McAlpines, conveniently deceased, cousin  Jimmy McAlpine who lived  in North Wales where his family had raped the countryside through Quarrying.

If we could be shown the photograph perhaps we could understand why the photograph proved Lord A McAlpine  was not the abuser of Steven Messham but his cousin Jimmy McALpine was. And if Jimmy McAlpine was known to the Police as a child rapist why was he never arrested and questioned?  

During the  Waterhouse inquiry into the North Wales child abuse  Lord Alistair McAlpine engaged the services of a barrister to attend the inquiry, as a watching brief, in case his name was mentioned. Why?

Jimmy  McALpine

This extract about J McAlpine is re-blogged from The Slog

I hate to be the first to observe this, but lest we forget, James McAlpine was related to his Lordship, and there has to be a question-mark over why the innocent peer Alastair McAlpine didn’t come forward earlier. The idea that Lord (Alastair) McAlpine didn’t know Jimmie – and wasn’t aware of his proclivities – is only credible if one accepts the concept of the former being deaf and blind to family matters for five decades. Jimmie chaired Alfred McAlpine, and the current Lord McAlpine is a cousin.
There seems to me a strong possibility that Alastair kept quiet to protect the family name. So when he says today that he is “saddened that the media could sink so low”, I’m not sure we should take that assertion entirely at face value.
Founder Alfred McAlpine’s son Robert handed the North West/Wales leg of the family business over to Jimmie in the 1960s. Jimmie’s penchant for juvenile chauffeurs was infamous, and numerous residents in the area surrounding Penrhyn (where the family bought an enormous slate mine) are quite certain he was responsible for multiple cases of care home and other youth-establishment abuses in the Wrexham-to-Chester belt of Britain. The general view there (accompanied by an accepting Welsh shrug) is that, as he was a prominent and influential resident at the time, Plod predictably touched a forelock and left him to continue on a merry dance of rape and ravish."

Although the allegations against Lord McAlpine were first published in Scallywag over 20 years ago and have existed on the internet for years,  it is only now that Lord McAlpine has threatened to sue  The Rich and Famous can  easily use  Super Injunctions and the High Court  to stem criticism.

Child witnesses would never be prosecuted for getting a name wrong  either in the Civil or Criminal Courts.  But an Adult risks prosecution in the Criminal Courts for perverting the course of justice. And risks loosing a libel action because to win a libel action Steven Messham would have to prove Lord McAlpine abused him to win,  because the burden of proof is reversed in libel law. Steven would also need about £800,000 to even think of defending such an action against someone as rich as Lord McAlpine.  

Lord A McAlpine

Which means that unless the Police take action poor people cannott win against rich people and clearly the Police had no intention of  arresting or questioning Lord McALpine or his Cousin Jimmy over the serious allegations of child rape, allegations first made over 20 years ago.  

But Steven Messham  said " After seeing a picture in the past hour of the individual concerned, this is not the person I identified by photograph presented to me by the police in the early 1990s, who told me the man in the photograph was Lord McAlpine.”     So it was the Police who led Steven Messham to believe  the man who abused him was Lord McAlpine.  Why?    Also the Police reveal they knew who the child abuser was and left him to abuse more children for another 25 years, There is definately  more  to be revealed


  1. Why was the victim shown a photo by the police and told it was McAlpine? Did the police have their suspicions? If the victim identified the person in the photo as the person who abused him, why was this not investigated by the police? Why was this victim not allowed to raise this at the Inquiry?

    - Resignation of George Entwistle

  2. Your questions need an answer from the North Wales Police and the Judge and Legal Professionals who ran the Inquiry!

    The Police are remarkably silent about identifying Lord McAlpine to Messham. There is certainly more to come.

  3. So why doesn't Messham look at some more photos and identify this other McAlpine?
    This is the establishment closing in to protect itself and use its money and power to clamp down on investigations.

  4. Ad zorb zod A very good question. I would like to see the photographs.

  5. There is a very good chance that if there were photos taken, there are still some out there, somewhere, floating around, in someones attic, or on secret internet networks like Tor. The pedophiles cannot control themselves and will obsess over this stuff forever.

    The problem is - who do you want to investigate this stuff? The ordinary journalists like the ones at ITV who broke the Savile case, by carefully and sensitively interviewing victims, corroborating stories, fact checking, and editing? Or conspiracy weblogs, who just throw out a bunch of names and gossip, not caring to do any of that hard work, nor caring what consequences their actions have?

  6. I have recently been reviewing the information on the North Wales children's homes scandal in the light of the Jimmy Savile allegations. I found out that Steve Messham was beaten up twice when he was a potential witness against Supt. Gordon Anglesea. It would not be difficult for somebody to jog his memory regarding these earlier assaults in relation to his identification/proposed testimony against Lord McAlpine, and whilst this does not prove that he (McAlpine) is guilty, at least there is some doubt as to whether he was aware of his cousin's activities. Unless it is all a big co-incidence!


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