tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4218939393808883918.post8550698957053241298..comments2024-01-30T02:09:55.073-08:00Comments on JUSTICE DENIED: The Walton Hop, Max Clifford, Chris Denning, Jonathan King, Randall, Savile and Duncroft Approved SchoolUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4218939393808883918.post-31513545032792419062016-10-06T08:54:52.303-07:002016-10-06T08:54:52.303-07:00I lived in Walton-On-Thames from 1974, and attende...I lived in Walton-On-Thames from 1974, and attended the Hop most Saturdays for a year or two aged 15-16 with a small group of mates. Being good catholic boys we knew nothing of what was going on around us although there was always an underlying sense of menace, whether from Jimmy Pursey and his mates or the tough lads from Rydens or Thamesmead. I crossed paths with Jonathan King one evening as he'd parked his big red Rolls up by the Methodist Church (outside Courts the furnishers), ready for a fast getaway to Molesey and thence to the City is my guess. <br />My mate and I declined the offer of "a ride" but we walked the 5 minutes or so to together to the Hop, oddly enough passing the Working Mens' Club in Church Street (not the High Street) where Ronnie Remnant (a punk name if ever I heard one) had some sort of position. Said Remnant was an acquaintence of my Mum, they both used the "Little Ashley" pub down at the Halfway although RR had a woman with him. It was he who suggested to my Mum that I get in touch with a friend of his with a view to "washing cars" as I was looking to eke out my pocket money with a small job. Said and done, a few days later I got a phone call from a guy saying his name was "Rob Randell" (probably the way he pronounced his name more than a mis-spelling) and that he'd like me to come up to his first floor flat at Wellington Close "for an interview". <br />This took place one normal weekday evening, and I was let into his flat by a semi-naked well-build male youth who only had a towel wrapped around him and a bottle of beer in hand. Randell was charming, showed me his massive record collection which was literally floor to ceiling, and his equipment (DJ equipment that is). I was very much into music already and he noted I was impressed by the amount of records that I was listening to: Yes, BeeGees, Supertramp, Chicago, Thin Lizzy, etc etc. He had a dog in the flat, called "Pikel" - whom he referred to as a "randy youth" as the mutt was very excitable and for some reason wasn't late in coming forwards to hump anything he could. God alone knows what the poor thing was subjected to, but as they say, it must've been a "dog's life". <br />I wasn't actually touched or porpositioned more than RR saying I was welcome back "when things were a bit quieter when there was a car around to wash". Needless to say I flew down the stairs and ran home. My Mum would never have believed me if I'd told her - in fact I did many. many years later and she said "I'm not surprised" Ta Mum. Again that overriding sense of menace was rife; apart from the humping dog and the presumably recently-humped male youth I also saw and heard at least two more individual further inside the flat. <br />Back at the Hop I never saw the guy again and I like to think that I got away by the skin of my teeth, but I can only imagine the sheer volume of youngsters who fell for it. With the benfit of hindsight and having read most of the stuff on this board and many others I can only add my voice and witness to what was going on thereabouts. I never got invited up to the upstairs part of the Hop by Deniz Corday but we all heard the stories about what went on up there and thought nothing of it then - if people were dumb enough to egt involved then it was basically their fault BUT at the time we were 15 ourselves and did not want to rock the boat (although that was a very popular song then), and as I found out myself, our parents weren't about to believe that people in positions of trust like that were that organised and cold and calculating in what they did. I'm sure there's a LOT more people out there with a story to tell. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4218939393808883918.post-80108520777004525342016-06-06T14:09:19.381-07:002016-06-06T14:09:19.381-07:00Rob Randall raped me at the Tolworth Bowl in 1976....Rob Randall raped me at the Tolworth Bowl in 1976. when I was a fourteen year old boy! He plied me with alcohol and pills. He had groomed me for a year after working for him at his Thursday night Surbiton Assembly Rooms disco. I was just a child and just as I thought I may be getting some closure as he had been arrested on my evidence last year the cunt died! Rot in hell bastard! Only was informed about death today. If anyone knows where the funeral is to be held please let me know so I can shit on his grave! Bastard! Ruined my life.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4218939393808883918.post-602150058226577732015-09-24T14:23:35.198-07:002015-09-24T14:23:35.198-07:00I never went to the Walton Hop, but I was 'pic...I never went to the Walton Hop, but I was 'picked up' by Rob Randall at his disco at the Tolworth Bowl around 1976 when I was 17. I didn't realise he was gay, he had a really good line about how he could help me do this or that, and offered me a lift home. On the way he suggested coming back to his place where he had a roast dinner cooking, and once there the Hirondelle came out - two bottles later and I suddenly realised why I was there when 'the hand' came over. At 17 I was able to resist the spiel about how it wasn't unnatural, everyone was doing it, and how it was fun to experiment - but I think I'd have been overawed and succumbed if I'd been younger. A very, very unpleasant, scheming man who plotted and schemed his seduction in a very well-practised manner.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4218939393808883918.post-136069742911512462015-09-24T14:15:28.772-07:002015-09-24T14:15:28.772-07:00How uncannily like King's writing style - the ...How uncannily like King's writing style - the 'no matter' is a total giveaway! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4218939393808883918.post-19395075068115555432015-09-10T15:45:55.893-07:002015-09-10T15:45:55.893-07:00I moved to Walton in the early 80s when I was 16 a...I moved to Walton in the early 80s when I was 16 and within a week I knew what was going on at the hop. I can't believe the police didn't know as it was common knowledge to most people. I remember being in a working mans club on the high street run by this guy Ronnie (who I was also led to believe was into young boys) and hearing their exploits bring openly discussed. No-one batted an eyelid. I know many boys who went to their flat where they were plied with drink and drugs. They'd never tell anyone what went on and girls were never allowed up there, but several years later one of the boys told me he and others had been abused. All of the people on this thread who've said the boys who went there knew what they were getting are talking absolute crap. They were drugged up to the point where they barely knew what was going on. Yes, it was their decision to go up there (it was mainly to get alcohol as the hop didn't serve any) but no, they did not deserve to be abused by those scumbags. It must have taken a lot of guts to finally report it so let's hope those responsible rot in jail. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4218939393808883918.post-78188481632234536632015-09-10T14:13:18.476-07:002015-09-10T14:13:18.476-07:00There are some really sick people out there who ha...There are some really sick people out there who have destroyed lives for their own gratification. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4218939393808883918.post-22076201308253040042015-09-10T01:08:10.221-07:002015-09-10T01:08:10.221-07:00Jonathan King re-arrested today along with two oth...Jonathan King re-arrested today along with two other men from Walton the same age as Rob Randall and Dennis Cordey.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4218939393808883918.post-37350588985505738542014-10-07T12:53:55.336-07:002014-10-07T12:53:55.336-07:00Well here you go. This is all taken from emails w...Well here you go. This is all taken from emails written by Dave Parsons, guitarist with Sham 69, and from interviews given by him. Whilst forcibly kissing a girl may not be that serious, (to some people), it was not committed in the USA but in the UK and the girl was actually 15. Pursey IS on the UK Sex Offenders Register and cannot go abroad.<br /><br />Dave Parsons email 3/10/2006: "Are you in cloud cookoo land, Jimmy does not work HE CAN'T FUCKING WELL GO ABROAD"<br /><br /> Why can't he go abroad? Punk Globe helpfully ask that question for us. <br /><br /> Punk Globe: Didn't you run into some trouble entering the US for the Punk Rock Bowling festival last year?<br /><br /> Dave Parsons: "We were supposed to be coming over to the States last year but unfortunately Jimmy's Dad was diagnosed with Asbestosis and he just wanted to be here for his Dad for the short time he had left. I've always enjoyed touring the States and have made many good friends over the years so hopefully we will come back to play before too long"<br /><br /> However, compare that to this earlier reply in an email Dave Parsons wrote on 12th November 2006. <br /><br /> "Jimmy cant play any foriegn gigs even if he wanted to, due to being on the sex offenders<br /> register, and also because he is no longer a member of sham69.<br /> cheers man<br /> Dave"<br /><br /> OOOPS but I thought you said, (Punk Globe 2014)<br /><br /> Dave Parsons: "This was just more lies put about from their lie factory. Timothy Vance was so obsessed with Jimmy that he spent most of his spare time on his lap top trying to find any dirt from any where to undermine Jimmy - Timothy Vance was desperate to be Jimmy Pursey. Jimmy won't stand up and defend himself because he has nothing to defend, if he was a sex offender neither me or Dave Treganna would be working with him, because Mr V has virtually no personality of his own he'll do anything to try and undermine Jimmy. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4218939393808883918.post-87861819659088123062014-08-16T22:26:09.462-07:002014-08-16T22:26:09.462-07:00In reply to anonymous post August 15th, 11:47 - Ho...In reply to anonymous post August 15th, 11:47 - How very naive, and shall I say it COMPLICIT' you are to put the blame in the hands of children. Obscene to even argue the case that the 60's and 70's were 'Different' thus people should just get on with their lives - hey, lets tell the people of Cambodia who where the subject of illegal carpet bombings by Nixon and Kissenger that heck it was the 70's different times, keep calm and carry on - 35 years to punish regime members of the khmer rouge this week. Should we have forgotten that? Youre naivety in justifying sex abuse is more than an embarrasment! Hang your head in shame!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4218939393808883918.post-755461534807709502014-08-15T13:41:01.224-07:002014-08-15T13:41:01.224-07:00If you were talking about adults yes, but you are ...If you were talking about adults yes, but you are not only victim blaming you are talking about children,. A child is NEVER NEVER responsible for being abused. And just so we are clear I was an abused child in the 60's. I am not going to let people like you make me feel guilty for being abused. I have lived with the legacy of this abuse all my life. Shame on you and all those like you who thought it OK to sexually abuse children and think you should have a get out of jail card now because for the first time children are being believed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4218939393808883918.post-81174985855470182972014-08-15T11:47:41.544-07:002014-08-15T11:47:41.544-07:00Having just wasted an hour trying to comment using...Having just wasted an hour trying to comment using my Wordpress account, and being told that I do not own my own identity, I am trying again as Anonymous!<br /><br />To the commenter on 5/1/14, I would now say, "About a few days ago!" I notice that quite a few commenters have mentioned that most people were aware of what might go on if one was to venture upstairs at the Walton Hop. If you knew the situation, then it was your own fault if something happened to you. For some, the lure of the pop world was enough to cause them to forsake their senses; afterwards, of course, it was a different matter, and it was necessary to find somebody to blame.<br /><br />I agree with the comment of 26/4/14. The view of the '60's and ''70's that is currently held is held by people who were not alive at that time, and who do not know what it was like to be in those times.<br /><br />The danger of this attitude is that people are relieved of any responsibility for their own actions, and there is a culture developing that no matter what happens, the state will look after me, and the lawyers will get me any compensation going.<br /><br />Where this leads is a disregard that such experiences are part of growing up, and what often causes psychological harm is not the experience itself, but the willingness of the "victim" to have the victim label stuck on him/herself.<br /><br />I often wonder what would have happened had the Savile saga not occurred; would these people still be going to the police or other authorities, or would they be getting on with their lives and putting it all down to experience?<br /><br />By the criteria used nowadays, everybody who lived through the 2nd World war would be eligible for post-traumatic stress disorder counselling. They did not get it, and the world did not end; in fact, that generation would not have come through the war had they had such an attitude. "Keep calm, and carry on" was what was needed, and it worked.<br /><br />Obviously, I am not condoning the use of violence and/or coercion; that would make such acts criminal in themselves, but there seems to be too great a willingness to blame others for acts willingly entered into at the time, now that the tide of public opinion has turned against those times.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4218939393808883918.post-84887578516021192802014-08-05T09:27:57.421-07:002014-08-05T09:27:57.421-07:00I also regularly went to Walton Hop circa 1968 unt...I also regularly went to Walton Hop circa 1968 until the early 70's. The only thing that shocks me is how long it took for all this to come out. It waas common knowledge that Rob Randall, Johnathan King, Chris Denning & Co were into young boys ..... you just avoided them.<br />Damn, we had some brilliant times back in the day. It was only a couple of months ago that I sold my last connection with the Hop .... my old fishtail parka. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4218939393808883918.post-9753764885375916382014-05-22T16:23:32.411-07:002014-05-22T16:23:32.411-07:00If you read into this you'll discover that thi...If you read into this you'll discover that this case refers to one incident of him forcibly kissing a 17-year-old in a US state that defines under-18 as "under age". Wrong it may be, but it's hardly Gary Glitter or Max Clifford territory.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4218939393808883918.post-13628784342077247742014-05-07T18:27:09.098-07:002014-05-07T18:27:09.098-07:00Horrible experience for you! Max Clifford and Stua...Horrible experience for you! Max Clifford and Stuart Hall had this same MO cynically promising career help. Thanks for sharing your experienceAct Now https://www.blogger.com/profile/03675535669231284474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4218939393808883918.post-33616880964609240312014-05-07T09:15:48.702-07:002014-05-07T09:15:48.702-07:00I had the misfortune of meeting Chris Denning in ...I had the misfortune of meeting Chris Denning in 1968 whilst working for Decca records where Chris Denning was visiting in his role for Johnathan Kings UK records. <br /><br />I was 16 at the time and Chris Denning pretended to be interested in a pop group that I was fronting and he invited me out for a drink to discuss recording, managing and promoting the band.<br /><br />By the end of the evening after being given numerous spiked drinks I was absolutely paralytic drunk and was taken by Chris Denning to his little office somewhere in Wardour street I think and forcibly raped. I never saw him again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4218939393808883918.post-47827387543845514022014-05-01T03:32:38.343-07:002014-05-01T03:32:38.343-07:00Some would say Cliff Richard has always been suspe...Some would say Cliff Richard has always been suspect! However for information he was named via his nickname of Kitty on the Elm Guest list, after which he disappeared back to Barbados, renounced his British citizenship and became a Barbadian. He then spent a year out of this country travelling (touring?) in Australia , New Zealand and elsewhere, always accompanied by his 'friend', ex priest Father John McElynn. He returned to this country sometime last year thinking things were ok..(maybe he was told it was so?) However by coincidence a couple of weeks ago an unnamed 73 year old man was arrested as part of operation Yewtree and questioned regarding his links with Elm Guest house and a video doing the rounds which apparently shows a very senior ex Minister and now Lord sexually abusing a ten year old boy. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4218939393808883918.post-86081826500866504032014-04-26T14:43:34.279-07:002014-04-26T14:43:34.279-07:00The caption for the photo showing dancers at the W...The caption for the photo showing dancers at the Walton Hop describes them as "children dancing" - this sets the tone for this blog - biased and incorrect. The Walton Hop was a great place, and like every other disco that followed, sexual predators were present, but we all knew about them and either kept away or joined them, some quite willingly having sex, others not doing so - never forced!<br />I fear people looking at the 60s and 70s regard the era with different moral standards that exist nowadays. <br />No matter, we all enjoyed it at the time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4218939393808883918.post-8216805499462754082014-03-29T03:08:00.353-07:002014-03-29T03:08:00.353-07:00Excellent and revealing blog post. I do feel that ...Excellent and revealing blog post. I do feel that many comments here reveal a likely misconception that the victims were naive. Denning's as King, claimed to be 14 and 15 year old's trapped in 'older bodies'. However what they actually reveal in this view is the specifics of their 'tastes'. It runs deeper, body shape, skin tone, height, build and then family and friend network. It wasn't 'savvy' that protected many or being naive that contributed but fitting the specific victim profile of some very particular and nasty predators. Thanks for sharing your research and personal experiences. Generally I steer clear of this issue, for I am fortunate enough to have no person experience or ability to understand the paedophile. However I know it takes real guts to face the demons who refuse to say sorry. greenman-23https://www.blogger.com/profile/07985473764900359634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4218939393808883918.post-34551686717527663882014-01-07T17:53:30.364-08:002014-01-07T17:53:30.364-08:00Cliff Richard was named on the Elm Guest House lis...Cliff Richard was named on the Elm Guest House listAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4218939393808883918.post-28288536350834644262014-01-07T06:36:39.451-08:002014-01-07T06:36:39.451-08:00I've lived in Walton all my life and the stori...I've lived in Walton all my life and the stories I've heard would turn your hair white!! Why have Surrey police waited so long to investigate? Who did Clifford have in his pocket all these years? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4218939393808883918.post-39379371397113675042014-01-07T02:56:33.809-08:002014-01-07T02:56:33.809-08:00I agree with the earlier comment that almost every...I agree with the earlier comment that almost everyone who went to the Walton Hop with an ounce of street savvy knew about these people and what they were up to. It was widespread rumour that King, Corday and co. were unsavoury characters and became objects of derision to most. That said, there were obviously some vulnerable kids that went who were less clued up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4218939393808883918.post-9223568145296575122014-01-06T04:03:16.157-08:002014-01-06T04:03:16.157-08:00if you're from the area and went to the Hop th...if you're from the area and went to the Hop then none of this can be a surprise. I often thought Cliff's tireless persuit of God was nothing but a manifestation of his guilt. i am sure it will all come out soon enough. thoughts go out to all them tempered with.. Gillian Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4218939393808883918.post-41279803685986657612014-01-05T11:41:09.713-08:002014-01-05T11:41:09.713-08:00Since when has Cliff been a suspect? There's b...Since when has Cliff been a suspect? There's been nothing in the news.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4218939393808883918.post-15368492311827948522013-11-17T13:08:39.365-08:002013-11-17T13:08:39.365-08:00Willis remembers those years but she wasn't on...Willis remembers those years but she wasn't one of the naïve ones, enjoyed many of times there....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4218939393808883918.post-72603654450566078532013-11-07T02:35:04.520-08:002013-11-07T02:35:04.520-08:00cliff richard partys.. now follow that !.cliff richard partys.. now follow that !.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com